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Siikozu

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Posted 01 December 2010 – 11:03 PM

SWIM is using Marsofolds with 1lb pre-powdered mhrb. accidentally added excess water due to confusion regarding the suggestion to use “1.5x – 2x” the water in Nomans tek for pre-powdered.

When pouring off the liquid after the initial 2 hour boil noticed solution was lighter in color than usual..Than realized Nomans tek is SB and that suggestion may not apply for marsofolds. Brain fart! Anyways, still boiling, is this recoverable, or is it suggested to scrap and start over due to innacurate ratios?

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    Posted 02 December 2010 – 12:15 AM

    DONT SCRAP THAT!!! :eusa_doh:

    When you heated it for 2 hours was the ph >4? As in did you acidify the water. It doesn’t take much as the bark is naturally acidic anyway. Decant off the water you have already cooked into a container and put the bark back into the pot or whatever. Add around a gallon or so of water and some acid to get the ph back below >4 if needed. Heat at a semi boil to simmer for another 2 hours. While it is reducing keep adding a little water every 15min or so to keep the water level around a gallon. After the second cook decant that liquid. Take the entire 2 cooks you have now and reduce it down to like say around 3 qts if you are using a gallon container like FOAF to pull from. At this time you got some options. I suggest defating since you already did a A/B it would be pointless to not defat. So add like 150 ml of naptha to the acidic mix of water and goodies . Let it seperate and pull the naptha and toss it. You will see clouds of fats in the naptha as you pull it. Do this at least twice. Then add like a half pint of water to a glass pint mason jar with around 3 tablespoons of NaOH. Let this disolve in your glass pint with the water. It will get hot so be careful. Pour this water into your water full of goodies you just defated. Now you are ready to do your pulls(the water should turn instantly black colored) that should pull super clean goodies. I suggest 4 pulls of 400 ml of naptha for that ammount of bark maybe even a fifth. That in a nutshell is a simple A/B. Good Luck!
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      Posted 02 December 2010 – 12:25 PM

      Well, SWIM added extra vinegar to compensate for the excess water. Boiled for about total of 5-6 hours, let it sit overnight to settle the sludge. Decanted the solu and added about 75-100mg of lye, got a bit foamy, but that dissipated in a matter of seconds. Had to split the solu btw 2 gal jars because of the volume….Proceeded to add about 200ml of naptha to each jar, swirled them both for a few mins to mix. Was sorta bubbly brown looking. Been letting it sit now, pictures below…..
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      Does this look okay? Will it help any if it sits longer than 4 hours? Should SWIM add more naptha? Any other suggestions?
      As far as evap, and freeze precip, SWIM tried the fan before on the last attempt but it didn’t seem to work at all. And SWIM had an accident and spilled most of the solu. After the spill, attempted to freeze the small about of solu salvaged but got very little out of it. Think SWIM may have accidentally added extra water to the lye pre-mix last time, dunno if that was the prob, or maybe too much, or too little naptha?.
      As far as using heat to evap, instead of a fan, whats the safest way to do that?

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        Posted 02 December 2010 – 12:42 PM

        did you add enough lye? if the naptha doesnt become yellow after a few hours of mxing then the dmt likely hasnt become fully freebase yet. also, use more naptha for 400g of bark, at least 400ml in the first pull or 2

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          Posted 02 December 2010 – 12:50 PM

          It sounds like you need to mix it more. If there is enough lye, you can shake the shit out of it and not worry about emulsions. Stirring for a few minutes isn’t enough.
          Yellow NP doesn’t necessarially mean anything, especially with an A/B.
          Do NOT use heat to evaporate the solvent. Try a freeze precip and if nothing comes out, evaporate half of the solvent and try again.

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            Posted 02 December 2010 – 01:01 PM

            My bad, meant 75-100GRAMS of lye not mg…lol which I think is enough. Guess ill add more Naptha, shake again and see? I cant really shake it like crazy cause the jars don’t seal very tight and I’d end up making a huge mess. Is there any way to tell when its mixed well enough?

            Edited by Siikozu, 02 December 2010 – 01:11 PM.

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              Posted 02 December 2010 – 01:09 PM

              Ha! I just read right over that assuming grams.
              I can tell from the photo that there’s pleny of lye.
              Try a total of three naptha extractions of 100ml each.
              Shake them up (carefully) and let them settle and then shake them up again -three times.
              Throw them in the freezer and let us know.
              Make sure the freezer is COLD.
              Rock hard ice cream that pisses off your girlfriend cold.
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                #8 Frequency

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                Posted 02 December 2010 – 03:54 PM

                Norman said

                Make sure the freezer is COLD.
                Rock hard ice cream that pisses off your girlfriend cold.

                😆 Exactly! :amazed:

                My NP has turned lime green before instead of yellow. Usually color indicates how many plant fats/tannins are present, not DMT. Although a deeper color change would indicate more exposure to the contents of the vessel had tannins been present (which they probably are). Rolling on the floor (or swirling) for 5 minutes on, 5 minutes off, for 3 cycles should be enough.

                Happy xtals to you Siikozu! :thumbup:

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                  Posted 02 December 2010 – 06:01 PM

                  Added another 100ml of naptha, or so been swirling 5 min on 5 min off as suggested. This is what its looking like after the swirl….
                  http://img.photobuck…isphinxen/4.jpg
                  http://img.photobuck…isphinxen/2.jpg
                  http://img.photobuck…isphinxen/3.jpg
                  http://img.photobuck…isphinxen/5.jpg
                  Gonna do it 2 more times to be sure. Think it looks okay? Been at it a few hours, once the third swirl is done should it sit a few more hours, or do you think its pretty much gtg for freezing?
                  Doesnt look to me like theres much color change once it settles, is that a bad sign?

                  Edited by Frequency, 03 December 2010 – 01:04 AM.

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                    Posted 02 December 2010 – 06:25 PM

                    Looks like you still have some emulsion in there. I would give that a hot water bath for about an hour before separating the solvent.

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                      Posted 02 December 2010 – 07:31 PM

                      Once that layer of emulsion is gone (it’ll go away if you let it sit in a hot water bath for a spell), you should definitely pull that naphtha. Then you can choose to either reduce, evaporate, or freeze. Then you can add more naphtha to the solution, and let sit while you wait for results. If you don’t get any dmt from your naphtha, then you can think about adding more lye or what have you.

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                        Posted 02 December 2010 – 08:09 PM

                        Should I just boil some water in a pot and let it sit in there an hour? Assume its not a good idea to leave it on the gas stove… lol

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                          Posted 02 December 2010 – 08:33 PM

                          well one of the jars cracked in the water bath spilling my solvent into a huge pot of water. disaster! Assume thats worthless? >.>

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                            Posted 02 December 2010 – 08:35 PM

                            That looks good.
                            That emulsion should settle down in a couple of hours.
                            If you want to hasten it, some heat will help.
                            Hot tap water should do it.
                            Don’t put a room temp glass container in a pot of water just off the boil.
                            Bad things can happen.

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                              Posted 02 December 2010 – 08:46 PM

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                              Don’t put a room temp glass container in a pot of water just off the boil.
                              Bad things can happen

                              Yeah didnt think it was too hot, but um apparently it was sigh

                              Currently pulling the other jar. Not sure what to do with the half mixed with the water? Should i toss it, or is there something I can do to keep it viable at this point? lol

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                                Posted 02 December 2010 – 09:26 PM

                                SWIM remembers reading about a thread about someone who spilled during their re-xing and found a way to get back all of the recovered goodies… someone has to remember seeing this around, hopefully…

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                                  Posted 02 December 2010 – 09:33 PM

                                  Yeah it’s saveable.
                                  Just dont throw anything away and label everything.

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                                    Posted 02 December 2010 – 10:16 PM

                                    Came across this post :
                                    http://http://mycoto…-found-tek.html
                                    Tossing the pot in the freezer, will work on it tmr and let yall know how it goes. Thanks a bunch for all your assistance :eusa_whis

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                                      Posted 03 December 2010 – 09:51 AM

                                      capture the escaped naptha layer, and then take th watered-down mhrb mix and evap it for a while till its back to about its original volume and add more lye then try again.

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                                        Posted 03 December 2010 – 09:56 AM

                                        If you’re going to use heat to evap it, you’re going to need to re-acidify it first.

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